Determinism

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I doubt very much the concept of free will. We are all products of our inherited genes and environment. At what point in our lives are we really capable of exercising free will? We may think we are at certain moments in our lives, but the influence of the Id is always with us, and we are never really free to overcome it.
Free will is usually defined as the ability to choose to enact one of two or more actions that set off a new causal chain. In that sense, I don't believe in free will.

But there are other ways to define it, although I sort of agree with Snowy that it is an ideal we can never reach fully. But that doesn't mean we should strive for it, because I do think we can be more or less free. It's something we can reach for and achieve perhaps asymptotically.

Here's something I wrote a long time ago on the topic.

It also depends on what is truly *you.* Do your circumstances define you? Yes to a certain degree, of course. But is the part of you that is genuinely, authentically, completely you the part that is determined by circumstances? Naturally, these things are a part of who you are, and you cannot escape that. But, I don't know, at least for me, it's like there's a part of me that is at the same time both deeply embedded in my circumstances and transcendent of them. And it's harder to see the transcendent aspect, which is why I often try to focus on it...but really you need both components in order to truly be yourself. I don't know if that makes sense.
yes, i agree with lightandstorm, and see a bit of what she means. I think it comes from the notion of how much you limit yourself -what you define yourself by. Are you "attached" to your location, job, or relationships? If so, then you are "stuck" in those patterns, therefore you wouldn't have much options outside of those. Maybe this bring in "what are the limits of life?" Time and money.... idk

As a recent graduate with not many responsibilities, I feel as if I could do anything in the world that I want to. I could chose to pursue mannnny options for my life's direction right now. So, to a certain degree(key) I have this free will to choose what I want to pursue. However, I do agree with the article that there are many things that we can't choose, such as biological makeup, family members, so on.

But anyone who has had plastic surgery knows -or at least thinks- that they can "create" themselves. For example, Micheal Jackson, wanting to become the opposite of what he is. Also, in the way that we dress ourselves, if we dress in goth, we become (or are labeled by society) "gothic" -surfer clothes makes you a "surfer" -kind of. Either way, and with all things, there has got to be a balance to all of this and a little bit of both= we do and don't have free will. It depends on what it is. So, no, we do not have complete free will, but we surely don't have a lack of it either.

So we are never "free" to decide between two choices?
Free will is usually defined as the ability to choose to enact one of two or more actions that set off a new causal chain. In that sense, I don't believe in free will.

Why not?

I don't know if that makes sense.


lol. Yeah, I'm not getting it.... :)
Choice of clothing is a good example. However, I wonder how much of our choice of clothing is really a product of who we hangout with. So maybe our choice isn't really much of a choice. Perhaps it's an unconscious conformity with the latest trend. But, one can definitely choose to go against the grain, I think.

Ultimately, I think you are correct in saying we do and do not have free will. I'm going to post a quote that essentially says just this.
yeah, so we can choose who we hang out with, which helps us make the choice of clothing that we want to wear...
Defining who you are is started at birth. We do spend our entire lives becoming who we are. It is not an ability of our own to define ourselves by circumstance or biology. We never become who we are. I believe we continue to grow into who we will be for our entire lives. Free will doesn't come into the equasion unless you believe that you posess that particular ability. Christians believe that we were given free will by a creator and that we exercise it all the time in the choice to do as we should or do as we want. I believe that human nature gives us choices to be "bad" or "good" depending on our own definition of those words. There is no absolute definition of who you are anymore than there is a true definition of God. God, as most things in life, is a subjective term meaning only what you want to give power to. The Greeks thought there were many gods that ruled heaven and earth and then it got narrowed down to one by choices made by large groups of people. Was that truly free will? I doubt it because there was a general concensus that it be done this way. That leaves us, the non-believers, the choice to our own concensus. Are we a major group? I don't know how to define what we are but I do know that choice is our nature not just our circumstances.
I love this post. It is a topic I think about often and quite possibly during the most unusual times. It makes me think of Darwin and evolution and articles I've read on how we choose a mate. Science is teaching us that we choose prospective mates based upon pheromones. So that leads me to wonder how much free will I have when it comes to falling in love, having children, etc. We all have choices, but are they really our choices or were they chosen for us? Do we chose our path in life or was that determined for us? And if so, when? We are certainly a product of our environment, nature and nurture but they can't always determine an outcome. It will never be an exact science. That is what makes us as humans so complex. There is never one answer that can satisfy all of the questions. Now you've got me thinking a mile a minute.. :)
Hehe. I'm glad you enjoyed the post. Determinism and free will are definitely interesting concepts to discuss. The way I currently see it, determinism and free will are two perspectives that aren't necessarily opposites. There is a sense in which we are limited by our biological nature and other external factors beyond our control. But there is also a sense in which we are able to make choices and do something with our lives. Both seem correct to me.

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"Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble." -Joseph Campbell
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