Einstein and Religion

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Heh, I was almost going to post this article myself. ;)

And I don't see how there is a debate at all. Some people just don't understand that scientists and philosophers like Einstein often borrow religious language to describe their thoughts and feelings. It doesn't mean they share your metaphysical religious beliefs.

And I would consider Einstein an atheist simply because I tend to define an atheist as a non-theist. ;)

yeah this article was good. it made me pretty happy to read it because i was getting sick of that debate. thanks for posting. :)
Einstein = awesome.
But Einstein was a pantheist, which is a type of theist. So, really he wasn't a non-theist. And I agree, I have no idea why there is a debate about his religious views. I still occasionally hear "Even Einstein believed in God!" Uh, yeah...

Me too. No problem :)

I would disagree. I would define theism as the belief in supernatural gods. The philosopher Spinoza has often been called an atheist and rightfully so. He was a pantheist, or more precisely, a naturalistic pantheist. And as Einstein once said, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."
So, this "God" is natural as opposed to supernatural?
Yeah, I would say so. God is being used as a synonym for nature, more or less. Not sure if you read the naturalistic pantheism article but under the heading "Semantics" it has a few interesting things to say.

"Naturalistic pantheism places little emphasis on the concept of God. This raises the concern that it is really no longer pantheism at all, but something more like "spiritual naturalism" or "feel-good atheism". After all, these critics ask, if you remove the concept of God from your philosophy, what is the purpose of using the term "pantheism?" It is charged that the etymology of the word reveals it is inappropriately used in describing an anti-theist philosophy. In answer to this objection, naturalistic pantheists maintain that the "pan-" prefix modifies the "-theism" suffix to such an extent that pantheism in fact has little to do with traditional theism.

"Critics regard this modern pantheism as simply a more reverent and naturalistic form of atheism, since this unusual conception of God is seen as bending the traditional definition so far as to make it meaningless. In the view of some modern adherents, this objection to using the historical term "pantheism" for the naturalistic interpretation is essentially valid, and these adherents usually admit that the term is maintained only for the sake of convenience."

One common interpretation of this sort of pantheism is basically spiritual atheism. And Einstein seems much closer to this than to any other notion of pantheism.

Well, I was going to mention Einstein's theology being that of Baruch Spinoza, but you beat me to it.

The reason that people point to Einstein's spirituality is usually to make a point about belief in God through appeal to person. It can be a simple fallacy - "Einstein believed in God - Einstein was smart - so belief in God is smart" or a refutation of the appeals to person used by some antitheists "most scientists are atheists" meets "well Einstein believed in God" or "religious people are stupid" meets "So Einstein was stupid?" It's a nonsensical argument on all sides. Trot out Einstein's spirituality, and anyone else can bring up Stephen Hawking's lack thereof. Bring up the atheism of some modern mathematician, and someone else can remind you of the fanatical religiosity of Isaac Newton. Appeal to person doesn't work - scientists, mathematicians, and thinkers have all held varied ideas about the existence and nature of God(s).

Pantheism is not atheism though. It is a very radically different idea of God, but it is a God-concept. Pantheists don't deify the universe. Rather, they say that everything is part of an abstract, impersonal God - that "God" is the sum total of existence. It's quite beautiful, really. Theism is not limited to belief in a supernatural or personal God.

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"Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble." -Joseph Campbell
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